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Dear SLG shareholders,
This thread is for a discussion about possibility that I buy Pradeep's stake in SLG and continue to run the company. It is for open discussion so I will just post my plan bellow and then whatever issues come up we will discuss them.
Brief Past & Current Situation
My name is Munito Jacobus and in the past I run a company called PBA which was listed on Vstex. Since then I did a couple of things (including a brief leave from SL) and currently rent an island for gaming purposes. On the island I currently offer kicker games (Kickers Extreme is name of the kickers place) and Slots. Also, together with LeaPatrizia Zemach I created 2 games: Spinker and Fratch, which are currently run by Jaded Designz as their kicker. Spinker will soon be available as solo game. The island is called Spinker and it is a developed location meaning that for last 3 months since I am renting it (it was much smaller place before but always positive) it always ended in plus (operational) of over 100k.
Plan
Most of SLG's assets is in cash (almost all) which is the reason I am interested into it.
With SLG (or a different name later on) I plan to rent an island next to mine, and start offering solo games, namely Zyngo & Deal. So, only this new place would be a part of SLG, but it would already be placed next to a developed gaming place which doesnt offer those games. They would be connected with a bridge.
Please visit my place but tp to the ground level (using map) because my new building is there, and it is situated so that solo gaming place can be connected nicely as a platform.
I plan to put around 150 zyngo games (50-20,000 buyins) and around 40 Deal Games and rest of the cash would be used for payouts/costs. That is a lot of money, and we would be able to offer games up to 20,000 in buyins....it would be a nice gaming place.
As a backup (of some type), I offer following: 1) my share in the company would be deleted if the business doesnt go well, and it will account for the difference in purchasing price of games and selling one (if we need to sell them) and a bit more.
2) for first 3 months of operations, if we do not make it to positive 0 at the end of the month (its around 150L$k of costs in total.....tier+marketing) I will put the difference up from my own pocket and exchange them for the stock options SLG has.
Basically, I cannot promise you anything, but it might be a nice business. For that, I am willing to risk my own funds and this is the easiest and fastest way for me to get to more funds....which are needed for expansion.
My long term goal would be to buy shares back.
I know this is very short plan, but its what discussion is for. Core of the plan is here, get an island...buy games...offer solo gaming which is connected to already developed place with a couple of attractions on it (home of Spinker and Fratch)...and hopefully make money out of it.
Please post comments/questions bellow.
Munito Jacobus
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Hi Munito,
first of all, it's great to see you back and interested in the exchange again. I was always very impressed with the way you conducted business, and I don't hesitate to give you a personal and professional recommendation. You were quite successful with PBA, and I have no doubt that you would conduct yourself with honor and integrity in your business.
I guess my question is simple. If you can afford to pay Pradeep for his shares, why do you need cash? It seems like just shifting money around if you pay Pradeep for his shares, and then take the cash from SLG to fund the business expansion. Perhaps you are paying Pradeep in something other than cash?
I have also been impressed with Pradeep during his tenure with SLG, but I have noticed his enthusiasm slowing down over the last few months.
I would endorse you as the new CEO of SLG, with my 130,873 shares (held under this account and Delish Demina on behalf of VSIF)
dd
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Hi DD,
I am as active as before in making profit for SLG. which you can see in last paid dividend. Despite losing 30K to mistake of mine, i have added 81K more L$ for the last quarter.
Munito approached me on if i am willing to sell SLG.
I informed him that i hold less than 14% in SLG. So if other share holders are happy with your proposals you can become the CEO.
I also told him that he cannot continue the name SLG for the new venture he forms and All previous share holders should be given a chance to exit at current NAV if they are not interested in the new venture
We have not yet discussed how i am going to be compensated for my shares and CEO position.
Regards
Pradeep
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Hi Del and Pradeep,
o.....o thank you for nice words! ![]()
I do not have even near that amount of cash. Although my main business is doing nice (kickers and slots) and commissions from Spinker and Fratch also add up nicely, it would take me a couple of months to get to the extra amount of cash like the one SLG is holding. That is.....if I do not invest anything in the meantime, until now, I invested around 100k in every of last three months (scripting fees, buying slots machines, financing grid-wide contests and buying some solo games). Those all payout now nicely, but still it would take me a long time to get to cash position which is comfortable for me to run an island just for solo games. To have an island just for solo games, I need to offer payins of at least 20,000L$ and if for example a player wins X10 on that payin its 200,000L$ just for 1 payout. So a lot of cash is mandatory on account.
However, my current businesses make me very comfortable in supporting a starting business, something like to be able to nurture it. Solo island would have costs of around 150kL$ a month, and for example if we end up 80kL$ up in a month, i can afford to add another 70L$k to break even for first couple of months without a problem.
So for me, it seems as the fastest way of expansion. If for example, Pradeep and I agree that I pay him 14% of NAV for his share of 14%, that would come up to some 128L$k investment for me to be able to manage around L$910k.
For shareholders, this might be a very good opportunity/gamble, because the cash in SLG will not be that much changed since our expenses would be buying of machines (around 300-350L$k) and in case we stop the island those machines can be sold, and the difference in money paid/received will be leveled by deleting my portion of shares in the amount of that difference so the NAV stays the same (if some extra ordinary circumstances do not occur). And by adding my own funds in case it doesnt become profitable immediately, I am also investing into something I believe is good business which should make up for the fact that at start I would only own 14% of the company. (In such cases, I will take a portion of options in accordance to NAV and money invested untill those are exosted, if needed afterwords it would be a gift)
For my work, possible expenses, and integration into already existing gaming place, I would however charge some managerial fee in addition to my share of dividends. We will discuss that in case the deal goes through, but it will be something like this: 25% of net income above L$30,000, or if we end up 90,000L$ in plus, it would be 60,000L$ accounted for managerial fee which would then come up to L$15,000.
Also, I think it will improve my current business also because by offering Full Entertainment at 1 place, players do not need to go to other place to play zyngo for example, and then come back to mine to play kickers or slots.
To Pradeep's post:
Yes, we discussed it a bit, but didnt not come to a conclusion of pricing etc. Also, I must note that I WILL NOT be able to offer other shareholders exit at NAV. However, I do plan to buy back shares at reasonable prices if money situation allows me that.
I hope I answered your questions with enough detail, if not please ask some more.
Munito Jacobus
Last edited by MunitoJacobus (2010-07-28 07:46:58)
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Hello,
i must say again, that i am disappointed in Pradeep. SLG is a nice company and Pradeep has done a reasonable job with it, but every few months this quitting mentality pops up. In my mind, companies that last a few years a worth something and the ones that waver to every gust of wind don't count for much. I've been really hoping that this company would stand the test of time and slowly grow and gain momentum, which i already thought we had set in place, a nice growth pattern with good continuous dividends.
Isn't gambling and gaming still banned in SL? You are quite openly talking slots and gaming here already. I think LL has let the collar a little bit loose again and folks have found different ways to create "skill gaming" ventures. I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of time, when LL will realize that the grid is again full of gambling enterprises and will shut them down with no remorse. So as an investment in SL i see it as a very risky one. Don't get me wrong, the idea is great and i would support it with some of my excess lindens as a separate idea, but not with my SLG shares/money.
So with my 83 000 shares held with this account and with the 65 000 held with Fatimah Iramesius i say NO to this plan. I would like to see Pradeep continue as the CEO of this company and lead it to the potential we have envisioned for it.
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Hi Alain,
Thnx for reply and your opinion.
Skill gaming is not banned in SL, and many of the games in SL are based on RL games of skill. When I say slots machines I refer to skill stop nudge games, but its easier to say slots machines, and they are a game of skill. So with regard to whether gaming might get banned in general, I dont think so, some games might get banned from time to time, but gaming industry will probably stay here. Its big part of entertainment.
Its very good to know where shareholders stand on this proposal, and I would appreciate if more shareholders said their opinions. So Alain thank you very much on giving yours.
Munito Jacobus
Last edited by MunitoJacobus (2010-07-28 16:16:28)
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Hi Alain,
Yes i admit that previously i have plans to quit but not this time. Munito has approached me with an offer. I just told him that i am no longer the major shareholder. You can carry what ever opinion you have to the shareholders of SLG who will decide what is the future of their investments in SLG and how they are going to use it going ahead. Inspite of SLG being tradedlisted or not i will continue to do L$ trade as long is it is profitable.
Note: If you see my history of as a CEO, i feel it is worth at time to time to check how my shareholders feel with their investments in SLG. I dont want to keep people trapped like few other companies did in the past. It gives lot of confidence to one as CEO when he knows their investors are happy.
So i always want to give an oppurtunity to share holders to decide what is good for them as much as possible. Here my intentions are good not to make money
More over if i just take my investment out i will have too less money to play with which i really dont like
Pradeep
Last edited by PradeepPlaner (2010-07-28 19:55:48)
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Ok. Good Pradeep. I hope we can continue with this company and grow it over time. Right now, all major decisions eventually come down to Dimi, so let's see and wait what he has to say.
P.S. We have some unfinished stuff Pradeep. I hope you take them on asap.
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And Munito, thanks for approaching. I think it is a great idea and would like you to submit as a separate IPO, but i understand that the process will be too long for you. Hopefully you will bring some plan to the markets. I don't know you but from the praise you received from Del i am ready to trust you with my money ![]()
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Hi Munito, i like it that somebody comes with new ideas, new challenges but dont like to give up a good compagny for it and i prefer to keep Pradeep as Ceo of SLG and run the compagny as he does now.
We can improve SLG for sure but that is not the topic here.
So i vote no for your plan to use SLG for it, but it isnt a bad plan.
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Hi,
Since majority of active shareholders stated they do not want a change in CEO, this thread can be closed.
Wish you all good luck,
Munito Jacobus
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